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22 November 2009 @ 12:48 am
dcmk; saguru personality  
Title: Saguru Hakuba Personality Analysis
Author: hattergems
Word Count: 800
Rating: K

Characters:
Saguru Hakuba.
Disclaimer: Detective Conan, Magic Kaito. Gosho Aoyama pwnz dem.
Summary: An in-depth look into the British detective's mind and the possible reasons for all his many flaws and strengths. Useful but highly rambling guide for roleplaying. Please credit this brain-vomit if used.

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The core of how Saguru Hakuba runs his life is to escape reprimand, to be beyond it. To be untouchable. What shows this is the way he treats people – smugly and with condescension, yes, but in a subtle, unbearably polite, reasonable way – and the manner with which he investigates his cases: meticulously, highly particular, following and even going beyond procedure. So that he feels that he has done everything he could have and cannot be reproved. A failure is also less painful that way.

Overly cerebral to the extreme, Saguru Hakuba is not at all shy to walk all over or dismiss people that can’t keep up because they cannot benefit him – like Inspector Nakamori when he couldn’t answer Saguru’s barrage of questions about the Kaitou Kid; like fellow detective Heiji Hattori, who decided to run the risk of destroying important evidence in a bid to save a life. That said however, he is agonizingly chivalrous to the fairer sex, probably because of his strict upper-class childhood. This, along with his impeccable manners, dashing Eurasian features, confident behaviour in the face of attention and adoration makes him rather popular with the ladies, despite all his flaws. He will do anything for a damsel in distress. After all, Saguru Hakuba means “questing white knight”.

Saguru’s insecurities play a large part in the way he is. Behind the strong projection of his scathing complacency, his self-esteem must not be up to much since he perceives everything anyone says as a personal challenge and that he has to prove them wrong. Because if he doesn’t do this, he’d be the one wrong, wouldn’t he? For example, when Kaito Kuroba made a snide jab about Saguru’s incompetence as a detective, Saguru immediately escalated the statement into a contest to capture the Kaitou Kid. He will do anything to make sure he is the one that is correct. Once, stranded in an isolated mansion, he didn’t tell and give the other people with him hope that there was a rescue helicopter coming just because he hadn’t been sure if this was true or not.

This fault is a result of his father, the well-known Japanese police chief, not believing his boy is up to much. Saguru’s father thinks he is snobbish – which Saguru by all means is, as a shield and because of his upbringing – but this does not mean that he is incompetent. This friction is possibly caused by Saguru’s childhood away from his father, with his English mother, who the police chief might not think highly of. Saguru never tells this to his father's face though, since he has obviously been strictly tempered to never rebel openly.

Regardless of Hakuba Senior, Saguru is truly very intelligent, and a good detective, able to match wits with Kaitou Kid, and even effectively win during all the heists they have gone one-on-one against each other, staying one step ahead of the thief. Which is more than Shinichi Kudo, the other high school detective known to go up against Kid, can claim to doing. Saguru's problem when solving cases is his bias to his own assumption, overlooking anything that does not support his theory. He comes into situations with pre-conceived ideas, which he then has to correct in light of new evidence. This is the same with people. When he facts peoples’ actions into his theory, things tend to go a little awry because he is a pretty bad judge of different personalities, seeing as he exaggerated Heiji Hattori’s sloppy tendencies to an unrealistic extreme.

Saguru specialises in investigations of thefts because the cases are more of a logic puzzle and there aren’t multiple suspects with all their own variables that might throw off his reasoning. His trademark question, “Why did you come to do this?” shows his lack of understanding of others and how self-centred he is, since he can't understand how other people just aren't the way he is, they don't think the way he does. That is the reason he became so annoyed with Heiji Hattori. He automatically assumes Heiji is hot-blooded and incompetent, because he knows what it would take for him to act the way Heiji was acting.

Saguru is not very emotionally invested, meaning he doesn't give much of a damn, and places detective work above all else, since – considering the fallout if the magician were to be revealed – he consistently makes hints about Kaito being Kid in front of Aoko Nakamori. He doesn't really care about other people and he doesn't believe that anyone cares about him either, too tired of being open and getting hurt, so he just blocks everyone off. But he does care about his reputation.

Saguru has a one-track mind and he is liable to get obsessive. His most eye-catching quirk is with the time, citing to down the millisecond. He owns a pocket watch that loses just 0.001 seconds a year, and he even comments to the Kaitou Kid the first time they meet that he is 1 minute 13.02 seconds late for the heist. He also constantly travels without telling anyone where he is and he generally just does his own thing.

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Credit for inspiration from hydok.
 
 
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nuitdenovembre: belle époquenuitdenovembre on November 21st, 2009 02:58 pm (UTC)
... hell. Do you do this for every character you write? Jesus.

So yeah, will probably be saving this for future reference. And coming back to it. I'm rather in awe of you right now, do you mind?
lubricated horse cock: [hatter] ♦ möbius filmstriphattergems on November 21st, 2009 03:04 pm (UTC)
Definitely no. It's just that this guy is freakingly faceted and I had ideas and theories about him that I couldn't keep all in my head. =.=

I'm going to fix up the rambling a bit later. But not much. This won't allow structure near it, urgh. If you are going to save it, I recommend you put it in memories here on LJ. See what I did here.

What did you like, what sounded trully retarded? /yawns
nuitdenovembre: falling starsnuitdenovembre on November 21st, 2009 03:10 pm (UTC)
I see. Well, I'm only awakening up to him really, so this will probably prove out rather helpful.

I do know how to save things, thankyouverymuch.

I liked the seriousness of it all, how you manage to turn him inside out. And I admire your patience, because I wouldn't be able to do that. The one thing that didn't convince me was the 'not very emotionally aware' part, mostly because I have this weird headcanon that Saguru is actually acutely hypersensitive and hides it well.
lubricated horse cock: [wonka] ♦ is like-ninjahattergems on November 21st, 2009 03:20 pm (UTC)
I've done an overview, a personality check and a chapter by chapter review, that is private-locked to moi, of Saguru today.*the world collapses* Because, I am obviously anal. And I also need to match high dork - I mean hydok. It was fun doing it whilst commenting with people on chat though. You can imagine how I was, I'd think.

If you say so, my lady.

I so needed to pull my brain out of my ears. There was just too much of him in my head. You know something? I'd really like for Saguru to be like that, but I've been influenced by hydok again. This is pretty much just a twist on what she thinks. Imma changing it now, all because of you ... and because I like it more. ;D hydok is a little too bland, teehee.
the jots of a hatter: nightmarehatterjots on November 21st, 2009 03:43 pm (UTC)
I'm just thinking now, though. If Saguru was emotionally aware, he'd understand other people better and ... How can this work ... ;o; But, of course, you being a fanfic writer, you can bend the rules a little. I'm stuck with perfect roleplay.

... Unless he is in denial that he feels anything at all, but ... I just ... CAN'T THINK. Tell me your thoughts. /crashes into bed
the jots of a hatter: ah sweet pareehatterjots on November 21st, 2009 04:12 pm (UTC)
hydok ... agrees with you. This is changed to fricking hell.
nuitdenovembre: and now withinnuitdenovembre on November 21st, 2009 05:25 pm (UTC)
Making things difficult for me, are you?
It's a complicated question. But Saguru has shown a few times that he does care for people—well, your icon here is proof enough of that. Still, I think we've only seen him flustered once in the manga; that was when he met Akako. And that wasn't even flustered, per se, but rather more along the lines of 'uh? who's that girl?'

... I tend to suspect people who act always so calm and composed and sure of themselves. Highly suspect them. Showing off (the way he does, actually, which is not the same as Kaito's, for instance) is more often a façade than it is anything else.

Besides, being emotionally aware, as you put it, does not mean you understand people better—nor does it mean you have to show it. I'd logically link it to what you said about his father (all of which I hardly remembered, actually).
the jots of a hatter: kaitaohatterjots on November 21st, 2009 05:30 pm (UTC)
Whatever do you mean~?
That doesn't necessarily mean he cares. It can be argued that he just wants to be the one to catch the Kid.

Saguru was flustered when Heiji didn't do the proper things for that Koshien case. Ah. I think you should reread what I wrote. I fixed some stuff ... and also. Thrash this out with hydok I beg you. Then you can bring me the end result. /NEEDS SLEEP FML
nuitdenovembre: heather magicnuitdenovembre on November 21st, 2009 05:36 pm (UTC)
You're being you. As usual.
Do you honestly believe that? Because it does sound more like a catchphrase (in a way) than anything else. I may be reading too much into it—he is, after all, only a manga character—but it does sound horribly fake.

Right—I remember when he ran with his eyes wild, alright—and there's also the Midnight Mansion case, when, at one time, he smiles so brightly I thought he was KID at first. I think he's thawing.

I will, if she answers me... not that there's much to thrash out, though. GO TO SLEEP DAMN YOU I WILL NOT HAVE YOU SLEEP DEPRIVED AND FALLING ASLEEP ON ME and wow, redundant sentence is redundant.
the jots of a hatter: waiting for my timehatterjots on November 21st, 2009 05:40 pm (UTC)
Pfft.
I do. Saguru is prideful to the max and there weren't any canon interactions shown between Kaito and Saguru to show otherwise. Saguru could've sounded more jaded than fake.

OH YES HYDOK HAS ICON OF SUPA-HAPPAI ICON. WITH BUTTERFLIES.

UM ALRIGHT. SHE'S GONE TO LUNCH I CAN DISAPPEAR NAOZ.
nuitdenovembrenuitdenovembre on November 21st, 2009 05:47 pm (UTC)
But whether it's the detective caring for the thief in a i-will-catch-you-first way or the friend caring for the friend, caring is always caring. Pride may show itself in it, but only through appearances—and, I suppose, what he tells himself.

I like your intouchable idea.

Heh, one last thing. I thought Hakuba meant White Horse?
the jots of a hatter: ah sweet pareehatterjots on November 21st, 2009 05:50 pm (UTC)
Well, if you mean it that way, then, all right.

Untouchable. And it is the strongest thing I felt about him.

The knight is a horse in chess. Good enough for me. Saguru said something like that in the Nightmare arc.
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Hydok: just british not gayhydok on November 21st, 2009 04:34 pm (UTC)
As s2lou mentioned, Hakuba being in reality hypersensitive emotionally is a possibility that's been nudging itself into my own personal headcanon as well.

It could help explain why he has trouble relating and understanding other people as well. There's this feeling of "well, everyone must be like everyone else" that's built into human thought, and so we assume that if people act in a certain way, they must be feeling the same way we would be were we acting like that. That, IMO, is why he got so annoyed with Heiji during the Koshien case.

Also, this is brilliant and pretty and love love love.
nuitdenovembre: EMPIREnuitdenovembre on November 21st, 2009 05:15 pm (UTC)
Agreed.

Hypersensitivity is a funny thing. If he really is, which wouldn't surprise me one bit, it would explain his rather cold, bland exterior. Sort of.

'Well, everyone must be like everyone else'—mind explaining that out?
Hydok: Ransukehydok on November 21st, 2009 05:34 pm (UTC)
Well, the concept that everyone views the world from the same perspective, and follows the same trains of thought.

For example, in Hakuba's case, he sees Heiji running around like a crazy person, and he automatically assumes Heiji is hot-blooded and incompetent, because he knows what it would take for him to act the way Heiji is acting.
nuitdenovembre: all the night's diamondsnuitdenovembre on November 21st, 2009 05:43 pm (UTC)
Ah, I see! Thanks for straightening that out.

What really bothers me, though, is this: if Saguru really is the intelligent, clever, double-checking person he very clearly is, how come he 'automatically assumes' things about other people when he is otherwise so cool-blooded?
the jots of a hatter: waiting for my timehatterjots on November 21st, 2009 05:46 pm (UTC)
"Saguru specialises in investigations of thefts because the cases are more of a logic puzzle and there aren’t multiple suspects with all their own variables that might throw off his reasoning. His trademark question, “Why did you come to do this?” shows his lack of understanding of others and how self-centred he is, since he can't understand how other people just aren't the way he is, they just don't think the way he does. That is the reason he became so annoyed with Heiji Hattori. He automatically assumes Heiji is hot-blooded and incompetent, because he knows what it would take for him to act the way Heiji was acting."

Does that help in any way?
nuitdenovembre: nightlifenuitdenovembre on November 21st, 2009 05:49 pm (UTC)
Well. So your point would be, He understands things better than he understands people.
the jots of a hatter: nightmarehatterjots on November 21st, 2009 05:51 pm (UTC)
I never know what I mean.

"Saguru's problem when solving cases is his bias to his own assumption, overlooking anything that does not support his theory. Also, when he facts peoples’ actions into his theory, things tend to go a little awry because he is a pretty bad judge of different personalities, seeing as he exaggerated Heiji Hattori’s sloppy tendencies to an unrealistic extreme."

HELP ME.
the jots of a hatter: ah sweet pareehatterjots on November 21st, 2009 05:52 pm (UTC)
He's self-centred so that makes it hard for him to gauge how likely his assumptions about people are. People are extremely variable.
nuitdenovembre: falling starsnuitdenovembre on November 21st, 2009 06:05 pm (UTC)
Don't get yourself worked up over this, hon...

Ah, yes, but isn't it the work of a detective to calculate the variables? he IS good at billiard, after all.
Hydok: I am the...hydok on November 21st, 2009 06:40 pm (UTC)
I think he comes into situations with pre-conceived ideas, which he then has to correct in light of new evidence.
il advint qu'un beau soir;: so can i get a flamethrowerfalling_voices on November 22nd, 2009 10:21 am (UTC)
That's true. *bows at*
the jots of a hatter: akako magichatterjots on November 22nd, 2009 02:21 am (UTC)
I'm not. I'm just highly competitive with hydok's Saguru. BAW.

I like her answer ...
il advint qu'un beau soir;: do you count the stars at nightfalling_voices on November 22nd, 2009 10:21 am (UTC)
It's normal enough that he's not the same for any of us. It wouldn't be any fun if he was.
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